TJ Comments

Comments are welcomed on the comparisons between the verses or passages shown from the Gospel of Matthew and their TJ parallels. TJ stands for Talmud of Jmmanuel, discovered in 1963 by Eduard Meier and Isa Rashid.

Saturday, June 06, 2009

OBAMA IN CAIRO: HIS QUOTES FROM MATTHEW
IN RELATION TO THE TALMUD OF JMMANUEL

In Obama’s speech I recall hearing two quotes from the Gospel of Matthew. One was the Golden Rule, which is in the Talmud of Jmmanuel (TJ) also. The other, also from Matthew’s Sermon on the Mount, was “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God.” It is not in the TJ. Why not, and what TJ verse was it a substitution for?

The one-to-one correspondence between Matthew and the TJ, in much of the Sermon on the Mount, allows us to pinpoint the TJ verse that the writer of Matthew omitted and substituted for at this point. It is TJ 5:9, “Blessed are those who know about Creation, for they are not enslaved by erroneous teachings.” It is not difficult to see why that verse was unacceptable. First, the Aramaic word for “Creation” was not the proper word to use for the God of Israel. Second, it would not do at all to cause readers/listeners to beware false teachings. That could cause followers of the young messianic form of Judaism to start thinking for themselves rather than blindly accept what church authorities said.

The “peacemakers” verse that the writer substituted seems quite nice; should Jmmanuel himself have said as much? In the TJ he speaks of peace in some 18 places. However, he would not have called a peacemaker a “son of God.” Instead, he believed in using the correct choice of words, as cautioned in TJ 6:1, “Be mindful of your piety, that you practice it before the people with correct words, lest you be accused of lying and thereby find no reward from them. Choose your words using natural logic…” He had objected when Peter called him “son of the living god” (TJ 18:20), as he was the son of the “celestial son” Gabriel. A different extraterrestrial was the overseer ("god") of several human lineages. And Jmmanuel had objected to Pharisees when they referred to him as “son of David,” since David had long since been dead (TJ 23:52).

Tuesday, June 02, 2009

CHARACTERISTICS OF EARLY CHRISTIAN WRITINGS, AND
WHAT THEY SAY ABOUT THE DATING OF THE GOSPELS

With time progressing downwards, below is a timeline on the datings of early Christian writings that:

(a) show no definite awareness of any of the Gospels, in particular of Matthew; or
(b) show an awareness of Matthew, as by quoting from it, but do not mention the name of it or any other gospel; or
(c) show definite awareness of both Matthean text and its attributed name.

Rough estimates of the varying error bars are supplied. The primary reference used is the comprehensive study by Arthur J. Bellinzoni, “The Gospel of Matthew in the Second Century,” The Second Century (Journal), Winter, 1992, Vol. 9, No. 4, pp. 197-258. We start with Paul, and find no further Christian writings until about 95 CE. Watch for (a) changing to (b), and (b) changing to (c).

55+/- 5 (a) Paul’s Epistles

95+/- 5 (a) 1 Clement (contains some oral tradition and a couple of later insertions from Matthew)

114+/- 3 (a) Ignatius (contains oral tradition and a later insertion from Matthew; also, Matthew may contain several quotes from Ignatius)
117+/-17 (a?b?) Epistle of Barnabas

125+/-25 (a) Letter from Mathetes to Diognetus
125+/- 5 (b) Aristides

130+/- 5 (b,c*) Papias: as relayed mainly by Eusebius, by which time it had long been heretical to believe that a Gospel was written by anyone other than the name attached to it.
130+/-10 (b) Gospel of Peter
130+/-30 (b) Didache
130+/-30 (b) Gospel of Thomas
135+/- 3 (b) Polycarp (Letter to Philippians)
135+/-15 (b) 2 Clement

140+/-10 (a?b?) The Shepherd of Hermas
140+/-10 (b) Gospel of the Nazoreans
143+/- 3 (b) Marcion (Antitheses)
145+/- 5 (b) Epistle of the Apostles

150+/-25 (b) Gospel of the Ebionites
150+/-20 (b) Gospel of Truth, Valentinus?
155+/- 5 (b) Justin

163+/-12 (b) Ptolemy (Letter to Flora)

170+/- 2 (b) Tatian (Diatesseron)
170+/-20 (b) Protevangelium of James
172+/- 2 (c) Apollinaris of Hierapolis
177+/- 1 (b) Athenagoras of Athens (Plea on Behalf of Christians)

182+/- 2 (b) Theophilus of Antioch
183+/- 5 (c) Irenaeus
185+/-15 (c) Muratorian Canon

Special discussion is needed on the entries of 1 Clement, Ignatius, and Papias. In my opinion there were two later insertions into 1 Clement: at 13:2 and 46:8. These quote quite closely from Matthew while in all other places the similarities between the two are not close enough to be deemed due to anything but oral tradition. Bellinzoni references Koester and Hagner to conclude that the writer of 1 Clement did not use any of the synoptic gospels.

Regarding Ignatius, it is at Smyrn. 1:1 // Mt 3:15 that the quotation from Matthew seems too close to be ascribable to oral tradition, and looks like a later addition (Bellinzoni suggested that it may represent “an Antiochian” revision). Furthermore, the late dating of the Gospels indicated here allows that the writer of Matthew may have borrowed some from Ignatius's epistles.

In addressing Papias, I would first draw attention to the lack of any other mention of a Gospel by name until about 172 CE (by Apollinaris of Hierapolis), some 40 or 45 years after writings appeared that quoted from, or were aware of, the Gospel of Matthew. Nearly two generations! How could this happen, if circa 130 CE Papias had written and spoken of Matthew and Mark as being the authors of the respective writings attributed to them? I have not come across any NT scholars who’ve addressed this question. The most obvious solution, however, is that in his writings Papias had included statements to the effect that the Gospels had not been written by the names ascribed to them. For several decades subsequent writers would already know this, and/or believe Papias. Yet they would recognize great value in the Gospels and would wish to quote from them. So they utilized the Gospels but omitted their attributed names. However, by the time of Irenaeus, or the changeover from (b) to (c) above, it could be assumed that the Gospels first appeared so many decades earlier that it could be stated as Christian dogma that their authors had indeed been their namesakes of the first century. By this reasoning, Eusebius circa 300 CE was forced to extract sparingly and carefully from Papias’s voluminous writings, and edit them as heavily as necessary, to preserve this suspected piece of theological commitment.

It’s well known that Eusebius considered Papias to be a man of little intelligence, and apparently quoted from him that “things from books did not benefit me as much as the sayings of a living & abiding voice” (Hist. Eccles. 3.39.4). Both considerations together are consistent with the present hypothesis of Papias having been a “whistle blower” against those who might claim the Gospels were written by their namesakes. Whistle-blowers are often downgraded by those who maintain a cover-up of the truth.

In the above chronology, the changeover from (a) to (b) occurs around 120 CE. This strongly indicates that the first Gospel appeared around that time. Although this date may seem late, it is the obvious conclusion, especially in view of the fact that, since the late 2nd century, theological commitment has continually tugged NT scholars towards belief in the earliest conceivable date for the first appearance of the Gospels.

A 120 date is consistent with the time expected of it judging from Eduard Meier’s “Epilogue and Explanation” section of the Talmud of Jmmanuel (TJ). It was circa 115 CE before the TJ (and a transcription of it) were delivered from the Kashmir area to the Mideast, after which it formed the basis for the first Gospel. But that is another story.

Tuesday, May 12, 2009

UPDATE OF MT 6:6 DISCUSSION IN LIGHT OF TJ 6:5-8

At my discussion of Mt 6:6 I’ve added in the TJ verses that the writer of Matthew omitted and substituted for, which he apparently did in order to avoid any hint that one should, when praying properly, pray to one’s spirit. The TJ verses he omitted include mention that one may utilize a sacred object to assist in communing with, or meditating upon, one’s spirit while in prayer.

Wednesday, February 25, 2009

A FRESH INTERPRETATION OF MEIER'S HASENBÖL PHOTOS

An important part of the evidence that points to the TJ's genuineness is the testimony of its co-discoverer, Eduard "Billy" Meier, of the discovery's reality and provenance. Hence my web site gives ample evidence that Meier's UFO experiences and photos were no hoaxes.

Recently I've added a short web page that gives a fresh interpretation of his Hasenböl photos of 1976. In his photos taken when the beamship had approached most closely, it now seems an inescapable fact that the craft was hovering on the far side of the deciduous tree. See
www.tjresearch.info/Hasenbol_Proof.htm .

Saturday, November 29, 2008

DID PHARISEES KNOW THAT J WAS THE PROPHESIED ONE?

This is in regard to Mt 22:41-42 and TJ 23:50-51. Did the Pharisees believe that Immanuel was the one prophesied by Isaiah and Daniel? The Almighty Counselor, the son of man, the anointed one? John the Baptist had been looking for this prophesied one, and evidently even the writer of Matthew did not think that the Isaiah prophecy had long ago been fulfilled, in the days of King Ahaz. In the cited verses, the Pharisees knew that J was from the House of David, and of course knew (in the TJ account) that his name was Immanuel, as in the Isaiah prophecy. And they were students of the Torah. So why didn’t they treat him as the prophesied messiah?

One possibility is that (a) they believed him to be an imposter. Another is (b) they were amongst those who believed the prophecy had been fulfilled centuries earlier. Another is that (c) they could see that by his name, background and deeds he could indeed claim to be the prophesied one, but since he preached so strongly against the scribes & Pharisees they could not afford to grant him his true status; they felt too strongly endangered by him. I prefer (c), what do you think?

With Matthew, the evidence for (c) and against (a) and (b) is not as strong, since there he is given the name “Jesus” at birth, which did not fulfill the Isaiah prophecy.

Monday, October 13, 2008

DISCUSSION OF VARIOUS TJ VERSES

The various verses referred to in the comments within include TJ 10, 18 and 28. For example, in TJ 28:27, it is a member of the arresting party who, having a change of heart, strikes out with his sword and cuts off the ear of a chief priest's servant. Matthew 26 has it that it was "one of those who were with Jesus" who did this.

Wednesday, October 08, 2008

SPACE FOR MORE COMMENTS ON MATTHEW 2

More comments may be made here on my Matthew-versus-TJ comparison at www.tjresearch.info/mt2.htm .

Saturday, October 04, 2008

DISCUSSION OF MATTHEW 12 AND TJ 13

In this blog section comments involving these parallel chapters that may have been placed under a different section heading can be continued, as well as fresh comments contributed.

Thursday, May 22, 2008

THERE WERE TWO INTERPRETERS OF PETER!

WHICH ONE WROTE MARK?

On the blog of Steven Carlson of 5/18/2008, his guest blogger, Andrew Criddle, pointed out that in one writing, Clement of Alexandria wrote something that the Gnostic, Basilides, had said, involving an interpreter of Peter by the name of Glaucias who was a contemporary of Basilides -- circa A.D. 120-140. Here is the quote, from Book 7 of the Stromata of Clement of Alexandria:

It was later, in the times of Adrian the king, that those who invented the heresies arose; and they extended to the age of Antoninus the elder, as, for instance, Basilides, though he claims (as they boast) for his master, Glaucias, the interpreter of Peter.

However, elsewhere Clement wrote, as relayed by Eusebius, that [John] Mark was in Rome with Peter, acting as his literary aid, and Papias also wrote of Mark being Peter's interpreter in Rome. This was circa A.D. 50-60.

This fits in nicely with the TJ's chronology, its mention of the first chronicling of Jmmanuel's ministry by Judas Iscariot that was abruptly halted when it was stolen at a point corresponding to Matthew's 12th chapter, with the order of Mark versus Matthew following Matthew very closely only from Matthew's 12th chapter on, and with it having become serious heresy by the time of Irenaeus (circa A.D. 190) for a Christian to believe anything other than that the Gospels were written by their namesakes.

The solution seems to be that:

a) Mark in Rome was Peter's interpreter there, and the two had with them the stolen writing of Judas, which one of them had recovered and taken with them to Rome. It was not the Gospel of Mark! Call it Ur-TJ. It contained rough equivalents of Mt 8-11. It could receive very little circulation, being contrary to certain beliefs being espoused by Paul. So the Ur-TJ languished in some house-church in Rome.

b) Much later, circa 117-120, Matthew was written. It came to the attention of a gentile Christian in Rome, Glaucias, who knew about the Ur-TJ, and who was sufficiently upset over Matthew's anti-gentile tone as to write his own Gospel, which he attributed to (John) Mark, since he utilized the Ur-TJ in writing the Gospel of Mark.

c) Clement of Alexandria, in writing briefly about these matters circa 195-200, knew that the Gospels had to have been written by their namesakes, in keeping with that branch of orthodoxy, and so wrote about John Mark in Rome being Peter's interpreter and the author of Mark. Now Basilides had apparently mentioned Glaucias as being the writer of Mark, and so Clement could only refer to this as Glaucias being Peter's interpreter. But this could be a backhanded way of acknowledging that Glaucias had written Mark, while allowing believers to assume that by "Peter's interpreter" Clement or Basilides had meant a later disciple of Peter.

d) Glaucias can be assumed to have moved to Alexandria not too long after writing Mark, perhaps to escape criticisms from Jewish Christians in Rome who did not care for Mark's anti-Jewish comments relative to Matthew. There Basilides met him, and could later boast of having been a student of his (Glaucias was his master), after he had gone his gnostic way.

Monday, May 19, 2008

NEW SPACE FOR MORE COMMENTS ON TJ 3 OR 4

Please post new comments on these TJ chapters here.

Saturday, March 22, 2008

DISCUSSION OF TJ 18 AND MATTHEW 16

There are some 17 problematic Matthean verses in Mt 16, apparently caused by the writer's alterations of TJ 18.

Friday, March 21, 2008

DISCUSSION OF TJ 17-18:1 & MATTHEW 15

There are quite a few problems with Matthew in this segment, both to passages that are parallels to TJ verses and those that are not.